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"President Nicolas Sarkozy declared Monday that the Islamic burqa is not welcome in France".  Later after a few glasses of wine he was overheard to mutter "Tits or GTFO".



(note: I made that last sentence up)

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Date: 2009-06-23 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottopic.livejournal.com

No ones gonna tell me
Whats wrong or whats right
Or tell me who to eat with sleep with
Or that I've won the big fight big fight

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Date: 2009-06-23 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skiadaimonos.livejournal.com
Because it makes all the difference in the world to tell people "you can't wear that" as opposed to "you must wear that."
Yea, Sarky wins wtfasshole for today (again).

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Date: 2009-06-23 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] machinedelmorte.livejournal.com
I kind of understand what he is saying. He kind of worded it wrong. He should of said that it's a choice to wear it or not. But he must also respect the religion or risk another backlash.

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Date: 2009-06-23 07:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sammhain.livejournal.com
right because freedom of speech stops at religion amirite?

I'm no fan of Sarkozy but by the same token I'm sick to shit of the idea that freedom of religion means those of us who are not religious can never utter a bad word about religious beliefs.

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Date: 2009-06-23 09:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jesuisgringoire.livejournal.com
right because freedom of speech stops at religion amirite?

in France it sure does...except for the religious, not the secularists.

I'm sick to shit of the idea that freedom of religion means those of us who are not religious can never utter a bad word about religious beliefs.

that ain't happening in France. they've outright banned a great many forms of public religious expression. you can't wear your own symbols in their schools. the paternalistic laïcité mentality gives enormous privilege to secularists...I don't think in this particular context (to be painfully clear, the French context) they have the slightest justification for complaint. Americans may give Kri$tianity an unwarranted special place in public discourse, but when the American ideal is upheld in its pure form, it beats the hell out of the homogenizing, cultural imperialist French version.

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Date: 2009-06-24 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terry-terrible.livejournal.com
Americans may give Kri$tianity an unwarranted special place in public discourse, but when the American ideal is upheld in its pure form, it beats the hell out of the homogenizing, cultural imperialist French version.

This is true. France expects immigrants to be frencher than the french or GTFO. See how well that's worked for them?

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Date: 2009-06-24 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agaitis-byrjun.livejournal.com
This. We're not quite there yet, but I'd much rather live under our secular government, where we still have personal choice in the expression of our culture, than under France's government.

permettez-moi d'être désagréable...

Date: 2009-06-24 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jesuisgringoire.livejournal.com
heh, I now feel obligated to point out that our treatment of our dark-skinned southern immigrants isn't a hell of a lot better. there's at least one state where it's a felony to give a border-jumper food, and I'm not sure linguistic cultural imperialism (speak AMURCAN!) is any better than its religious counterpart...it's a devaluing of their native symbolic discourse either way. in the case of the US government, our agricultural and trade policy created the immigration issue in the first place, so suffice it to say my intention was not to imply the US government is any better in general, just on this one specific issue, in ideal cases.

Re: permettez-moi d'être désagréable...

Date: 2009-06-24 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agaitis-byrjun.livejournal.com
saying I prefer to live under the U.S. government rather than the French government =/= OMG AMERICA IS THE BEST COUNTRY EVER YOU GUYZ

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Date: 2009-06-24 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jesuisgringoire.livejournal.com
haha, understood.

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Date: 2009-06-23 09:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jesuisgringoire.livejournal.com
I really want a LOL Sarkozy with that caption now.

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Date: 2009-06-23 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sororbabylon.livejournal.com
It makes me want to go to France, put a big burlap sack over my head, and walk down the street until they arrest me. Then, I will CONFUSE THEM SO! Is it a burqa? Is it not a burqa? HOW WILL WE KNOW!!!

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Date: 2009-06-24 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terry-terrible.livejournal.com
"President Nicolas Sarkozy declared Monday that the Islamic burqa is not welcome in France". Later after a few glasses of wine he was overheard to mutter "Tits or GTFO"

If it was Berlesconi then it would very believable ;)

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